Wow, you noticed it already? I just uploaded the update a few minutes ago and in fact am still smoothening out some of the rough edges. If you find any odd behavior, please let me know!!

Are you finished, Dave? We still have the peculiar situation in which a Fuchsia called Angel Earrings Dainty (trade name) is not listed on the "A" page or the "D" page, but on the "S" page, where no one would ever look for it because no one knows the cultivar name is SUNicomf.

I'm definitely not finished. All I have done so far is change the way latin names are entered into the system. That's not a new issue, is it Zuzu? I haven't touched the trade name thing at all yet.

Here is an incorrect example. Colocasia esculenta is the correct accepted Botanical Name. I'm calling Colocasia gracilis accepted as well to illustrate a point.

With two (or more) accepted names will ordering and main display of those accepted names be controlled by the moderator? As you can see the display has changed to C. gracilis. Elephant Ear (Colocasia esculenta)

No, it's not a new issue. Sorry, Dave. I thought you were finishing up with all of the names, not just the Latin ones.

I've found something weird here:

Primroses (Primula)

Primula vulgaris is not a synonym for Primula. It's an accepted primula species, which, in turn, has the synonym Primula acaulis.

I think this dates back to that faulty parent plant entry for Primula vulgaris, which was so full of misinformation that it had to be junked. The name somehow stayed on the parent page.

eclayne said:Here is an incorrect example. Colocasia esculenta is the correct accepted Botanical Name. I'm calling Colocasia gracilis accepted as well to illustrate a point.

With two (or more) accepted names will ordering and main display of those accepted names be controlled by the moderator? As you can see the display has changed to C. gracilis. Elephant Ear (Colocasia esculenta)

What would it matter which name appears at the top as long as it was an accepted name? The only problem in your example is that you incorrectly entered a synonym as accepted.

zuzu said:I've found something weird here:

Primroses (Primula)

Primula vulgaris is not a synonym for Primula.

Thanks Zuzu, that's now fixed.

eclayne said:With two (or more) accepted names will ordering and main display of those accepted names be controlled by the moderator?

Horntoad said:The only problem in your example is that you incorrectly entered a synonym as accepted.

That's a good point. Is there a place where a plant will have more than one accepted name? If so, then yes, the system has no trouble with this. As the moderator, you just edit the plant name and put the one you prefer at the top. Easy Peasy.

dave said:




That's a good point. Is there a place where a plant will have more than one accepted name? If so, then yes, the system has no trouble with this. As the moderator, you just edit the plant name and put the one you prefer at the top. Easy Peasy.

No plant should have more than one accepted name, but the problem is still that different sources say different names are accepted. One source will say name A is accepted and B is a synonym while another source will say B is correct and A is the synonym.

In that case the moderator will decide which one goes first in the list and therefore appears as the primary name for that plant.

Dave
I've run across a number of plants (species, varieties and forms) with more than one accepted name. I'm not talking about cultivars. I don't remember running across one with three or more but it's certainly not out of the question.

If tried reordering them without success. Display after approval differs from display while editing.

Jay, If 2 or 3 taxon sites accept one species name while another accepts a different species name, I think we need to be able to address that by ordering them.

Tippy-toeing in here because I'm very much out of my depth, but could there be a "preferred" botanical name in addition to "accepted?"

I'm not sure I'm thinking straight on this.

One accepted name on one site and another accepted name on another site. We "moderate" the names accordingly.

ex. Arisaema quinatum:
Accepted by the Plant List as Arisaema quinatum: http://www.theplantlist.org/tp...
Accepted by ITIS as Arisaema triphyllum: http://www.itis.gov/servlet/Si...

One accepted name per plant. Dave and Jay my apologies!

zuzu said:Are you finished, Dave? We still have the peculiar situation in which a Fuchsia called Angel Earrings Dainty (trade name) is not listed on the "A" page or the "D" page, but on the "S" page, where no one would ever look for it because no one knows the cultivar name is SUNicomf.

This morning I sent a new batch of code up that will fix this, hopefully once and for all. Here's how it now works:

There is now an internal field in the database called "Sort Name" and that field is what is used in almost all browsing situations. Anytime a plant's name is edited, the system in the background will check:

1) Is there a trade name present? If so, mark the Sort Name to be the same as the Trade Name.

Otherwise:

2) Is there a cultivar present? Take the top one and make it the Sort Name.

Then, whatever is the sort name is what is used to name the plant at the top of the page, as well as to find it when you are browsing by "cultivar".

Therefore, your plant example has:

Trade Name: Angel Earrings® Dainty
Cultivar: SUNicomf

In this case, the "Sort Name" is Angel Earrings® Dainty and this plant only shows up under A.

A different example is the rose 'Lady Mitchell' aka 'HARyearn'. This plant has no trade name, and the highest cultivar name is 'Lady Mitchell' so that's used as the Sort Name and this rose only appears under the letter L.

I'd like it if you'd go check it out and see if it's functioning the way you think is right.

Dave I am having a problem in the Jovibarba database when doing a search.
If I type in jovibarba, then choose entire list, then click on T to find all those starting with a T, J. 'Tan' is not in the list under T. http://garden.org/plants/brows...
If I go back and just search for jovibarba tan it comes up.

Before the changes I could type in the first few letters of a name and it would come up with a list of all that started in those letters. It doesn't to that now. It just gives the entire list of plants in the genus.

Thanks for this report, Lynn. I think I found and fixed it.

There's probably a logical reason for this, but I'm failing to see it: In this list of Shadow Dancers fuchsias, why does 'Marcia' come after 'Yolanda'? The alphabetization of this series can't be based on the different cultivar name of Marcia, which starts with an "M" instead of a "G" because Betty is still at the beginning of the list in spite of its cultivar name beginning with "S."

http://garden.org/plants/brows...

It is because you have two spaces before Yolanda but only one space before Marcia.

The extra space is causing Yolanda to appear first because a space appears before M alphabetically.

Edit Yolanda and remove the duplicate space after the (R) mark and it should fall into the right order.

http://garden.org/plants/propo...

Oh, yes, I see. I knew it had to be logical. I just couldn't see it. Thanks, Dave.