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May 17, 2019 4:45 AM CST
Name: Jim
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Hey Cal,

I am enjoying all the recent posts to this thread. It's like a visit with Marlin Perkins! Big Grin And, I know you are old enough to remember him.

I know I owe you a TreeMail. The last two weeks have been hectic with the increase in home biz orders and trying to keep up with all the Spring growth and planting. I should have some time this weekend.

Just thought I would mention that my little pond, which had very clear water all winter and the beginning of this spring started turning green real fast the past two weeks. I figured it was just the usual spring algae bloom with the warmer weather. I also knew a good cleaning of my filter was overdue. I finally got to it yesterday afternoon.

I absolutely dread cleaning my filter. It is a submersible. It does a great job, but cleaning is a real pain. I have to submerge a huge laundry basket filled with quilt batting to raise it up out of the water without all the dirty backwash getting into the pond. It weighs a ton! Then, cleaning it section by section, piece by piece, is a real dirty job. I was soaking wet and covered with green muck by the time I was finished.

The manufacturer, Lifegard Aquatics recommends cleaning the filter every few weeks. I am lucky if I clean it twice a year! But, even with my neglect, it keeps the water very clean/clear and within acceptable parameters according to my test kits.

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Of course, the water looked even worse after I was finished disturbing everything. I left my deck last night hoping the algae bloom would subside soon. To my surprise, when I looked down from my deck this morning, the water was crystal clear. I could even see a little white pebble on the bottom that I missed while I was cleaning. Guess it wasn't the spring algae bloom, but my dirty filter that was turning my water green.

My dwarf water lily is sending up its first leaves of the season, too!
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May 18, 2019 2:45 PM CST
Name: Bea
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Cal...Enjoyed the videos and subscribed to your YouTube channel. Hurray!
The new water feature will help with keepin the ducks away from the water lilies. From watching the video I see the ducks don't like the shower effect from the new water feature helps keep the ducks at bay. I tip my hat to you.

Hope the injured duck gets better soon. This time of year ducks can be a bit aggressive. It's spring. Whistling

Cal...Your pump is very efficient and powerful.You asked about my pond pump . I'm sorry to say I don't remember any of the details on the pump size. 20 years in the pond I bet it's price has doubled in today's market. Shrug!

MoonShadows.... the name Marlin Perkins sounds soo familiar I had to look him up. He was the zoologist on Mutual of Omaha . OK ...now we are all bragging about our age !
I’m so busy... “I don’t know if I found a rope or lost a horse.”
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May 18, 2019 9:45 PM CST
Name: Bea
PNW (Zone 8b)
Bulbs Native Plants and Wildflowers Spiders! Solar Power Hibiscus Hydrangeas
Peonies Hummingbirder Houseplants Hostas Keeps Horses Zinnias
Cal I spotted a rabbit feeding with the duck at the food dish toward the right back at night . Forgot to tell ya. I thought that duck had awfully big ears....5:47:36.
I’m so busy... “I don’t know if I found a rope or lost a horse.”
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May 21, 2019 2:54 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Cal McGaugh
Escondido, California (Zone 10b)
I thought I replied on Saturday! Must have dreamed it. D'Oh!
Actually, this is my 3rd attempt.....Jim knows what I mean. Hilarious!

MoonShadows said:Hey Cal,

I am enjoying all the recent posts to this thread. It's like a visit with Marlin Perkins! Big Grin And, I know you are old enough to remember him.

Yes, I am, and I do remember him fondly. One of my favorite shows.
Also Howdy Doody, Mr.Wizard, & Duffy's Tavern. Big Grin

I know I owe you a TreeMail. The last two weeks have been hectic with the increase in home biz orders and trying to keep up with all the Spring growth and planting. I should have some time this weekend.

No worries, you have a ton on your plate. Anytime is fine. Smiling

Just thought I would mention that my little pond, which had very clear water all winter and the beginning of this spring started turning green real fast the past two weeks. I figured it was just the usual spring algae bloom with the warmer weather. I also knew a good cleaning of my filter was overdue. I finally got to it yesterday afternoon.

I absolutely dread cleaning my filter. It is a submersible. It does a great job, but cleaning is a real pain. I have to submerge a huge laundry basket filled with quilt batting to raise it up out of the water without all the dirty backwash getting into the pond. It weighs a ton! Then, cleaning it section by section, piece by piece, is a real dirty job. I was soaking wet and covered with green muck by the time I was finished.

The manufacturer, Lifegard Aquatics recommends cleaning the filter every few weeks. I am lucky if I clean it twice a year! But, even with my neglect, it keeps the water very clean/clear and within acceptable parameters according to my test kits.

Thumb of 2019-05-17/MoonShadows/3d76d9

Of course, the water looked even worse after I was finished disturbing everything. I left my deck last night hoping the algae bloom would subside soon. To my surprise, when I looked down from my deck this morning, the water was crystal clear. I could even see a little white pebble on the bottom that I missed while I was cleaning. Guess it wasn't the spring algae bloom, but my dirty filter that was turning my water green.

I had to take 3 Advil after reading that. Sticking tongue out

If your water is that clean, maybe a smaller filter would do the job with less pain, time, & mess,
even if you had to clean it more often, e.g. every 2-3 months (?)

This simple filter is very easy to clean, and helps keep our 500 gallon pond crystal clear.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0024EFYU6/
It only takes 5 min ~4X per year or whenever the fountain slows down significantly.
But our pond is 3/4 covered with floating plants, or lily pads, and other potted plants
that keep it clear.

At least it's done now, and maybe it'll hold the rest of the year. Crossing Fingers!

My dwarf water lily is sending up its first leaves of the season, too!

Hurray! Hurray!

bumplbea said:Cal...Enjoyed the videos and subscribed to your YouTube channel. Hurray!
The new water feature will help with keepin the ducks away from the water lilies. From watching the video I see the ducks don't like the shower effect from the new water feature helps keep the ducks at bay. I tip my hat to you.

Hope the injured duck gets better soon. This time of year ducks can be a bit aggressive. It's spring. Whistling

Cal...Your pump is very efficient and powerful.You asked about my pond pump . I'm sorry to say I don't remember any of the details on the pump size. 20 years in the pond I bet it's price has doubled in today's market. Shrug!

MoonShadows.... the name Marlin Perkins sounds soo familiar I had to look him up. He was the zoologist on Mutual of Omaha . OK ...now we are all bragging about our age !


The ducks initially stayed in the back of the pond, but now cruise through the fountain like kids playing
in the sprinkler. Smiling

The duck with the damaged beak (bill?) seems to be doing relatively well, just not as strong as the other ducks.
Whatever is on his bill doesn't seem as crusty, just discolored. He has a slight limp, I think he favors his left foot.

Later, he spent a couple hours with a female .....she didn't seem to notice his bill problem.
They spent time preening on the little raft that all the ducks like to get on. Then he followed her all around
the pond as she dabbled, and sampled all the delicacies in the buffet. Smiling

Then she started displaying for him, i.e. dunking vigorously several times, then rising up & flapping her wings,
ending it with a waggle of her tail, trying to get him interested. He just ignored her, and even wandered off instead of
being attentive. Either he wasn't in the mood or didn't have a clue. Whistling

Eventually she gave up & decided to take off without him, and go elsewhere. He was totally caught by surprise,
and made a very lame attempt to follow her, flopping before flying. It was really pretty sad. Sad
"Was it something I said???" Confused

Normally, when they decide to leave, they let the others know by jerking their heads several times, like
saying, "Time to go.....who's coming with me?"

But in this case, she looked & acted a bit put out by his lack of attention. Rolling my eyes.
You could tell by her body language, and the fact that she just up & left without any adieu.

I guess he just wanted a platonic relationship.

If I have time, I'll upload the whole uncut 1 hr video & post a link.

Today he hung out with two other boys.....he had the pond to himself when they came in, and I heard
the rukus start, but went out just so they could see me, and I told them to play nice.

Everything was cool then.....
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video https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0024EFYU6/

Later, I caught one of them standing on one of the lotus pots (!)
I've decided not to try to keep them out of the lilies, but the
lotus are strictly verboten! Grumbling

The lotus, btw, are coming along nicely, and starting to send up aerial leaves.
The weather has been unseasonably cold with rain almost every week, which
is great as it usually is hot clear & dry here even in Feb.
But soon as it warms up, the lotus should really take off.

I just planted 7 small bowl lotus today. Lotus are a challenge, but once you
get the hang of it, not that difficult, and very rewarding. Assuming they survive
the ducks! D'Oh!

It's a soap opera every day. Rolling my eyes.
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May 21, 2019 9:32 AM CST
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Oh, @EscondidoCal, I'm dying to see the video! But the link pops us over to Amazon. Crying
You don't kick walls down, you pull the nails out and let them fall.
AKA Joey.
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May 21, 2019 11:58 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Cal McGaugh
Escondido, California (Zone 10b)
joannakat said:Oh, @EscondidoCal, I'm dying to see the video! But the link pops us over to Amazon. Crying

Sorry, Joanna!

I tried over & over to fix it, but even though the link is YouTube (before I finalize it),
the Amazon link keeps showing up!? I'll have to have speaks with Jeff Bezos.

Anyway, here's the right link to the 2 napping ducks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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May 21, 2019 12:14 PM CST
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LOVE it Cal! Thank you!
You don't kick walls down, you pull the nails out and let them fall.
AKA Joey.
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May 23, 2019 4:25 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Cal McGaugh
Escondido, California (Zone 10b)
Some videos from today. Smiling

Woops!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Water Dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

On Patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Season 1, Episode 2 of "The Young & The Clueless"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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May 24, 2019 4:56 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Cal McGaugh
Escondido, California (Zone 10b)
Here is a slideshow of the pond yesterday when it was cloudy & windy,
and the pumps were off...
http://cal3d.com/Pond2019/SS05...

It's been cold & overcast here......more like November than May.

This morning the sky was clear, and the sun lit up the pond...
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May 24, 2019 7:58 PM CST
North Central Massachusetts (N (Zone 5b)
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I really enjoyed that Cal!

Can you and your DW dangle your feet in the pond? It looks very tempting.
You don't kick walls down, you pull the nails out and let them fall.
AKA Joey.
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May 25, 2019 12:10 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Cal McGaugh
Escondido, California (Zone 10b)
joannakat said:I really enjoyed that Cal!

Smiling

Can you and your DW dangle your feet in the pond? It looks very tempting.

I haven't yet, but will, and eventually, hope to go under to see & video the fish (maybe with a GoPro). Smiling

I've seen the fish swim around the ducks, nibbling on their feet. Big Grin
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Jun 5, 2019 1:01 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Cal McGaugh
Escondido, California (Zone 10b)
Some pics today of the hardy lilies that are starting to bloom....
http://cal3d.com/Pond2019/0604...
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Jun 5, 2019 6:42 AM CST
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EscondidoCal said:Some pics today of the hardy lilies that are starting to bloom....
http://cal3d.com/Pond2019/0604...


Beautiful!
You don't kick walls down, you pull the nails out and let them fall.
AKA Joey.
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Jun 5, 2019 10:07 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Cal McGaugh
Escondido, California (Zone 10b)
Thanks, Joanna! Smiling

BTW, I will not only be dangling my feet in the pond today,
but have to jump in & retrieve one of the lotus pots that
the raccoons sunk overnight! D'Oh! Grumbling Blinking Rolling on the floor laughing

The worst is the initial shock to the body of the cold water. Sticking tongue out
Refloating the pot is easy.

This is "strike 3"......but I just have to anchor them a few feet away
from the side of the coving to keep them out or reach of "busy little hands".

What's wrong with this picture? Rolling my eyes.
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Jun 6, 2019 1:21 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Cal McGaugh
Escondido, California (Zone 10b)
It took trip to Home Depot & 2 hours in the pond, but
came up with this temporary solution....
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After re-floating the sunken lotus pot (plants were not damaged),
I connected all 3 pots together, and added a floatation ring of
1/2" black line threaded through 3 pool noodles.

Then I drilled holes through the tub rims and attached them to the
floatation ring.....un-sinkable now, even if swamped. Thumbs up

Then I used an 8" X 8" cinder block attached to the center of the
"flotilla" to anchor it a few feet away from the edge of the coving, and
also tethered it to the lily rack to keep it from wandering too far in
any direction.

It may not be the final solution, but for now, it will keep the lotus safe
from raccoons, and hopefully the ducks will not try to land or stand
on the tubs. Crossing Fingers! Whistling Crossing Fingers!

Still a work in progress.
I just go with the flow. Smiling
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Jun 6, 2019 7:50 AM CST
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You are so creative Cal! This will be beautiful when the lotus fill it in.
You don't kick walls down, you pull the nails out and let them fall.
AKA Joey.
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Jun 6, 2019 12:03 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Cal McGaugh
Escondido, California (Zone 10b)
Thanks, Joanna.....it's a challenge, but much fun, and keeps me off the streets. Smiling
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Jun 7, 2019 12:15 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Cal McGaugh
Escondido, California (Zone 10b)
"The best laid plans....."

Well, the new lotus arrangement is working to keep the raccoons from
playing with them, but I didn't realize the gushing water coming out of
the filter was hitting the tubing I have attached to the side of the coving
for peripheral plants, and splashed enough water overnight into one tub to submerge it. Whistling

BUT, the floatilla is still floating, so no harm done. The leaves are still out of
the water. They are large lotus so should rise higher.

I was going to try to bail it out, but am leaving it alone for now, though moved
the effluent from the filter so it would not splash on the lotus.

It may even be better as it will give it a lower profile.
If it works, I'll add water to the others so the whole array will sink a few inches lower in the water.

Also will add a little floatation in the middle underneath where the tubs are
tied together to even it out.

BTW, just want to recommend 10 Mile Creek Nursery if you ever want to try growing lotus.
They're all sold out now, but during the spring, have the best selection of lotus that I know of.

So if you are interested, get on their mailing list, and give it a try. The rewards are great. Smiling

These are what I'm looking forward to seeing bloom this year, and will post pics....
Space Lotus https://www.tenmilecreeknurser...
Holy Fire https://www.tenmilecreeknurser...
Sacred Lotus https://www.tenmilecreeknurser...

Crossing Fingers! Smiling Crossing Fingers!
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Jun 7, 2019 1:09 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Cal McGaugh
Escondido, California (Zone 10b)
BTW, also have several pots of mini-lotus, aka bowl lotus,
coming along, too. Smiling
Seeds are very cheap, and easy to germinate, though do take
some babying ~ 1 week until they can be planted.

10 Mile Creek does not sell seeds, but there are many
available at Amazon, and many YouTube videos explaining
how to germinate & take care of the bowl lotus seeds.

You have to scarify, i.e. nip off or file off the end of the seed
for it to germinate. They germinate in just 2-3 days, and the
shoot grows ~ 1" per day, depending on water temp.
I keep the temp ~75F.

24" tub
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12.5" bowl
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11.5" bowl
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Jun 7, 2019 6:41 PM CST
Name: Carol
Santa Ana, ca
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It's hard to judge how large those "bowls" are in the photo. Those really do appear to be minis. Surely you will post blooms later? I've never heard of mini lotus before. I'm really enjoying following this thread. Thumbs up

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