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Aug 14, 2020 3:24 PM CST
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In a recent comment about this plant, @succulentlife wrote:

https://garden.org/thread/post...

succulentlife said:Was wondering about main photo for Artichoke Agave. It looks more like a Agave parryi, not an artichoke. I guess I'm not really sure about the difference between the two.


I am reposting this comment here as the link above will need to be deleted (it pertains to this one image, not the plant in general), and maybe we can get some resolution about the issue.
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Aug 14, 2020 3:28 PM CST
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@BlueOddish and @mcvansoest any feedback?

I do know that not all truncatas are identical to the particular one that Gentry brought to the Huntington (so-called "Huntington" or "Gentry Form") which has become popular in cultivation.

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Aug 14, 2020 3:40 PM CST
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I don't know the origin of this specific plant since it's at a demonstration garden. It was labeled "var. truncata".
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Aug 14, 2020 4:24 PM CST
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Since it is flowering probably about the last 5 sets or so of leaves are not going to be at all diagnostic for what the plant might have been before flowering.

Based on the lower leaves they do not quite look like what most of us know as var. 'truncata'. However, that is potentially greatly influenced by a very limited number of tissue cultured exceptional clones (like the Huntington clone, etc). The relatively short rounded leaved versions are afaik not that typical in the wild. On top of that there is supposed to be great variation throughout the range of the plant with some of the more northerly versions looking a lot like parryi v. parryi. Add to that the potential for changes due to growing conditions and it may just be what var. truncata turns into if grown way outside its normally range.

If I saw this without it being labeled as A. parryi var. truncata it would not be the first thing I'd call it, but that said, it is not completely impossible for it to be var. truncata, just not one from the selections that are now mostly seen in the trade. I do not know if there are obvious differences flower wise that might help if there were flower pictures.

Is this the best picture to be the main picture showing up when the var. truncata entry comes up, I would say no, but that is about as far as I can go with this. Parryi is just a highly variable species even within each subsp./var. The one that stands out the most to me is subsp. neomexicana and this one is definitely not that.

BTW since we are on the topic of wrong IDs the two pictures by Fleur are definitely not Agave parryi more like kichiokan...
It is what it is!
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Aug 14, 2020 4:35 PM CST
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Thank you for your input.

I started a thread on that subject here:

The thread "ID question" in Photo of Agaves (Agave)

and will move those 2 images where appropriate.

I originally concluded the plant in Angelo's pic could be truncata, and I do think it's fair to leave the image there, but I have changed the main image for A. parryi truncata to the second most popular one.

Artichoke Agave (Agave parryi var. truncata)

Which should wrap this up unless Jean has any more questions.
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Aug 15, 2020 11:24 AM CST
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I have a new "Junior" Agave parryi and Agave parryi var. truncata. They are only about 4 inches; not quite distinctive enough yet. Confused I'll see how they develop. Thanks for all the input and hope the question wasn't too much of a bother. *Blush*
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Aug 15, 2020 1:24 PM CST
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Name: Baja
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I think your question led to a meaningful change in the database, and I look forward to seeing pictures of your younglings when the time is right. Smiling
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