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Mar 11, 2020 8:53 PM CST
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And now Tom hanks and wife announced that they tested positive. They are in Australia so not coming home any time soon.
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Mar 11, 2020 9:24 PM CST
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EscondidoCal said:
Very informative (& alarming) article.
The bottom line is it's exponential, so things can go downhill fast.
So be prepared as much as possible as soon as possible, calmly.

On the positive side, this graphic helps keep it in perspective:
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The symptoms are essentially like the flu with possibly 10X greater mortality, but that varies with age & individual's health & immune system. Secondary bacterial infections will complicate it and contribute to fatalities.

We're doing all we can to avoid it within reason.
I'm 75, so at high risk for it, but am still not that worried about getting it.

Every day's a gift. Smiling


Cal ~ I am 78 and I got my pneumonia vaccine yesterday. I read that one of the complications of this infection is getting a secondary infection of pneumonia. Normally, I don't even get flu shots as I usually have a reaction with them. Luckily I did not have any problem with this vaccine.
"Luck favors the prepared mind." - Thomas Jefferson
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Mar 11, 2020 10:02 PM CST
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Trump: No travel from Europe over COVID-19, tax relief for workers
Filed Under: COVID-19
Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News | Mar 11, 2020

Tonight President Donald Trump took an unprecedented step in the ongoing effort to fight the spread of COVID-19: A ban on all travelers from Europe beginning at midnight on Mar 13 and lasting 30 days.

He also said insurers will waive copays for COVID-19 treatment and called for tax relief for workers affected by the disease.

During a televised address to the nation from the Oval Office made hours after the World Health Organization (WHO) declared the novel coronavirus disease a global pandemic, Trump said the move would echo his administration's decision in January to ban travel from China. He said that the earlier ban limited the virus's spread in America, but Europeans—who enacted no such bans, in accord with advice from the WHO—proceeded to seed the virus in the United States.

"Anything coming from Europe to the United States is what we are discussing," Trump said.

Trump said the ban will not apply to cargo flights from Europe nor to travelers from the United Kingdom. And there may be exceptions for Americans in Europe who have been screened thoroughly for the virus.

"Ultimately and expeditiously we can defeat this virus," Trump said.

COVID-19 co-payments to be waived
Trump also said he had met with the heads of major insurance agencies this week, and assured the public all co-pays and costs associated with coronavirus treatment, will be waived for all Americans.

"The risk to the vast majority of Americans is very low," Trump said. "The highest risk is to the elderly population and those with underlying health conditions."

Trump said nursing homes should suspend all but necessary medical visits. He also said his administration recommends that all older Americans avoid crowds and non-essential travel.

In the most emphatic part of the speech, Trump urged Americans to stay home from work if they are sick, and promised financial relief to workers and small businesses who may be afffected by the coronavirus.

"I am calling on Congress to provide an immediate payroll tax relief," Trump said.

"This is not a financial crisis," Trump said. "This is just a temporary moment in time that we will overcome as a nation and a world."
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Mar 12, 2020 12:35 AM CST
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The travel ban FROM Europe affected its NON-US Citizens.
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Mar 12, 2020 12:49 AM CST
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I know Tom Hanks has been in Australia for some weeks now but the word is that his wife has not been here very long at all. All of the cases in Australia , except for a cluster in a small area of Sydney, have been traced back to Iran, Italy, and USA. I would think there will be details of the flight taken from the US to Australia available soon so passengers can be identified.

We have our third case here in Tasmania. It is linked to a foreign student who last week defied authorities and went out clubbing and to work the next day instead of isolating while awaiting test results. D'Oh!

We realised today that we forgot to stock up on one thing before we went into quarantine - diesel fuel for the tractor. A quick run into the petrol station shouldn't be too dangerous so we will do that over the weekend.

I haven't had to resort to crocheting or reading yet to keep busy. I have drawn up a cleaning schedule to thoroughly clean one room of my house each day. My house only has four rooms so I may have to tackle the garden next week instead before I polish the knots out of the pine lined walls.
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Mar 12, 2020 3:01 AM CST
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These people violating quarantine need to understand that the states can (and will) impose fines (and occasionally jail sentences). I know Queensland was planning random police checks on people in isolation 2 days ago.
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Mar 12, 2020 5:59 AM CST
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Luckily gardening is a thing you can do while in quarantine, as long as you stock up on supplies
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Mar 12, 2020 8:31 AM CST
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ShadyGreenThumb said:The travel ban FROM Europe affected its NON-US Citizens.



That is correct on the NON-US citizens, effectively aircraft will not be coming from Europe, so if you are not on the few coming back on Saturday it will be awhile. You can try to get out through the U.K.
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Mar 12, 2020 1:35 PM CST
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Mar 12, 2020 1:52 PM CST
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Thinking I wasnt to worried about this. Was just at Publix...grocery store, which was packed. I turned the corner and an older gentleman was blowing his nose like nobodies business. Next thing I knew my shirt was pulled up and my head burried in it. Blinking

BIL just called and was set to go to costa rica tomorrow, bag packed. It was the tour company that cancelled on them, since they were from Florida and there is A case here. Are we only going to be allowed to do stuff in the summer and when flu season starts in the fall shut back down. People dont have to get their kids vacinated for measles to go to school...a deadly situation, but.....get a sore throat and its all over.
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Mar 12, 2020 1:56 PM CST
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gardenglory said:Thinking I wasnt to worried about this. Was just at Publix...grocery store, which was packed. I turned the corner and an older gentleman was blowing his nose like nobodies business. Next thing I knew my shirt was pulled up and my head burried in it. Blinking

BIL just called and was set to go to costa rica tomorrow, bag packed. It was the tour company that cancelled on them, since they were from Florida and there is A case here. Are we only going to be allowed to do stuff in the summer and when flu season starts in the fall shut back down. People dont have to get their kids vacinated for measles to go to school...a deadly situation, but.....get a sore throat and its all over.


I was at the Hunter's Crossing Public today, it was crowded, and so was Piesanos but that's all I saw. Fresh market, the same. But I did note that the traffic at Uppercrust Bakery was very thin...its usually PACKED at the time I was there, and I was the ONLY customer....all the employees were standing around twiddling their thumbs
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Mar 12, 2020 2:10 PM CST
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I hope they dont cancel garden festival, Still two weeks away. Of course, if none of the vendors show, whats the point.

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Mar 12, 2020 2:35 PM CST
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Name: Cal McGaugh
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gardenglory said: I turned the corner and an older gentleman was blowing his nose like nobodies business. Next thing I knew my shirt was pulled up and my head burried in it. Blinking

Hilarious!
Did you get a selfie??? Grin

Must keep a good sense of humor to counteract the anxiety. Thumbs up

I just got back from 2 grocery stores....one has our pharmacy, but each one had
things the other didn't.

No, I did not get TP. Sticking tongue out
Got that last week, and only one package of the double rolls.
Never thought I'd feel guilty buying TP, but only took what we needed for now.
Plus I'm committed to using at least 1/3 less of consumables, so should last longer.

But it was light at both stores, everyone was calm, only one wearing a mask.
She didn't appear to be sick, but may have been exposed, and was being considerate
of the rest of us.

I did bump (with elbows) into a friend at one market, and she said it's a madhouse still at
Costco, with lines around it....in the pouring rain! D'Oh!
Just not worth going there even if it costs a bit more to shop at a smaller market.

I've been trying to shake a low grade viral infection for 2 weeks. It started in my NP
(nasopharynx) at 4:15pm (I looked) & had spread to my throat by 6:00pm.
But thankfully I was able to call my doctor & get a prescription for antibiotics (Augmentin),
and get a dose while I was at the pharmacy. He's cool with it, i.e. calling it in vs having me come in for a visit first.

That's my basic strategy for preventing a bronchitis in a nutshell.
Treat BEFORE you get sick vs waiting till AFTER you have bronchitis to get antibiotics.
Makes all the difference, at least for me.

Still have the virus albeit low grade now. But no bronchitis. Thumbs up
Last night, though thought I may have gotten the CV, as I had a very
sore throat, especially when swallowing. My wife had it, too.
It was something I hadn't had in a very long time, so resigned myself to possible CV.
However, today all is much better. Smiling

How's your day going??

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frequent the SandBox, but would benefit from the info & share their stories
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Mar 12, 2020 5:16 PM CST
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We're just planning to use some common sense. Avoid large crowds. But we're not locking ourselves in the house or hoarding food or toilet paper. Life goes on with little adjustments. (e.g. going out to lunch early- before the crowds- as opposed to busy dinner hours). Still keeping our scheduled medical appointments and living our lives, slightly realigned.

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Mar 12, 2020 5:21 PM CST
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Cal said:
But thankfully I was able to call my doctor & get a prescription for antibiotics (Augmentin),
and get a dose while I was at the pharmacy. He's cool with it, i.e. calling it in vs having me come in for a visit first.


Um, antibiotics will never work against a viral infection, ever. Using antibiotics prophylactically is a really great way to create resistant strains of bacteria. Info here:
https://www.cdc.gov/drugresist...

I hope you and your wife are voluntarily quarantining yourselves. 14 days to prevent contaminating someone else, so I've read. Please don't take chances just because you feel better.
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Mar 12, 2020 5:55 PM CST
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ECDC: COVID-19 not containable, set to overwhelm hospitals

Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News | Mar 12, 2020
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In a stark and urgent COVID-19 risk assessment update today, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) said that, in a few weeks or even days, other countries in the region may face huge surges that mirror those of China and Italy.

It advised countries to quickly shift to mitigation strategies to protect vulnerable people and prevent overwhelmed hospitals.

Reports of dire conditions in hospitals in Italy's hot spots have been circulating on social media for the past few weeks and are now appearing in medical journal and media reports. The ECDC acknowledges that high numbers of patients needing ventilation have exceeded intensive care unit (ICU) capacity in some healthcare facilities in northern Italy.

Life-and-death decisions in Italy's inundated hospitals
In a Lancet report today, two authors from Italy said the percentage of COVID-19 patients needing ICU treatment has ranged from 9% to 11% and that ICUs will be at maximum capacity if that trend continues for 1 more week. They predicted that Italy will need 4,000 more ICU beds over the next month, a challenge given that the country has about 5,200 ICU beds.

In the hard-hit Lombardy region, healthcare workers have been working around the clock. About 350 (20%) have been infected, and some have died, according to the report. Italy's government is considering hiring 20,000 more medical workers and providing 5,000 more ventilators. Unless the measures are implemented in the next few days, they wrote, otherwise-avoidable deaths will occur.

"Intensive care specialists are already considering denying life-saving care to the sickest and giving priority to those patients most likely to survive when deciding who to provide ventilation to," they wrote. "In the near future, they will have no choice. They will have to follow the same rules that health-care workers are left with in conflict and disaster zones."

Countries on track for Hubei scenarios, ECDC warns
In its assessment today, the ECDC said the risk of severe disease is moderate for the general population but high for older people and those with underlying medical conditions. Increased community transmission may exceed health system capacities in the coming weeks, it said, and countries should act now to step up hospital infection control and surge capacity.

The ECDC said estimates for hospital care suggest that most European countries could reach Hubei province scenarios by the end of March, with all countries reaching that point by mid-April.

The group urged member countries to implement social distancing measures such as cancelling mass gatherings and cordoning off hotspots early to slow outbreaks and give health systems more time to prepare for an influx of patients.

The ECDC also recommended that countries designate COVID-19 facilities to minimize the transmission to other patients and conserve personal protective equipment (PPE) and identify facilities for managing those with milder symptoms. When resources are stretched or limited, the ECDC said countries should take rational approaches to conserve testing, contact tracing, PPE use, and hospitalization for high-yield situations.

Italy's health ministry today reported 2,651 new cases and 189 more deaths, raising its respective totals to 15,113 cases and 1,016 deaths. Spain's total today rose to 3,126 cases, with the addition of 782 more today. France's total rising to 2,876, with the addition of 595 more. The United Kingdom reported 134 new cases, boosting its total to 590.

Several European countries announced more steps to curb the spread of the virus. For example, Slovakia declared a state of emergency and shut schools and major airports, and the Netherlands banned events of more than 100 people and urged citizens to work from home, if possible.

Iran surge continues; country requests IMF support
Iran, the third worst-hit country, today reported 1,075 new cases and 75 more deaths, raising its respective totals to 10,075 and 429. The country today asked the International Monetary Fund for $5 billion in emergency funding to help it battle COVID-19, its first such request since 1962, Bloomberg News reported.

In a related development, the World Health Organization (WHO) today said a 5-day expert mission with its partners, including the Robert Koch Institute and China, wrapped up work earlier this week. In a press release, the WHO said the group found that the country is moving in the right direction with its response, taking a comprehensive approach with case management, labs, and risk communication as the strong points.

However, WHO officials said more work is needed in several priority areas, including epidemiological data collection and analysis, which is key to understanding how the outbreak is evolving and what control measures are needed. Also, the group said more efforts are needed to protect healthcare workers.

South Korea cases decline again
South Korea today reported 114 new cases, with 6 more deaths, raising its overall respective totals to 7,869 and 66, according to the Korea Center for Disease Control. It said 80% of cases are linked to clusters, including 99 illnesses recently linked to an insurance company call center in Seoul.

In other developments in Asia:

Japan today reported 55 more cases, 6 of them listed as asymptomatic carriers, from 11 prefectures, according to the country's health ministry. Its overall total is 602, plus 72 asymptomatic carriers.

Singapore today reported 9 more cases, 3 linked to a dinner function, 5 imported, and 1 under investigation, raising the total to 187, the health ministry said in an update. In a separate statement, the country's Islamic Religious Council announced the temporary closure of mosques after 90 citizens attended a mass event in Kuala Lumpur, where several tested positive for COVID-19.

China today reported 15 new cases, 8 from Hubei province, as well as 11 more deaths, raising its overall total to 80,793, which includes 3,169 deaths, according to the country's National Health Commission.


Study: COVID-19 may spread in several different ways
Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News | Mar 12, 2020

Researchers have detected COVID-19 viral RNA and live virus in specimens other than nose-throat swabs and sputum samples, raising the possibility that the disease may spread through additional routes.

In a research letter published yesterday in JAMA, Chinese scientists describe testing lung wash (bronchoalveolar lavage), lung biopsy, nasal, sputum, and blood samples for live virus in 1,070 specimens from 205 infected patients in three hospitals in China from Jan 1 to Feb 17.

In related news, a research letter today in Emerging Infectious Diseases, highlights a cluster of COVID-19 cases linked to a shopping mall in Wenzhou, China. The study's authors said that an analysis of their findings can't rule out indirect transmission of the pandemic novel coronavirus, such as via inanimate objects or aerosolization.

Testing various sites could lower false-negatives
Using real-time reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR), investigators detected COVID-19 RNA in lung wash (14 of 15 samples; 93%), sputum (72 of 104; 72%), nasal swabs (5 of 8; 63%), lung biopsy (6 of 13; 46%), throat swabs (126 of 398; 32%), feces (44 of 153; 29%), and blood (3 of 307; 1%). The 72 urine specimens all tested negative.

Twenty patients had two to six specimens collected at the same time. Viral RNA was detected in single specimens from six patients (respiratory specimens, feces, or blood). Seven patients shed live virus in respiratory specimens, 5 in feces (2 of whom did not have diarrhea), and 2 in blood.

"Testing of specimens from multiple sites may improve the sensitivity and reduce false-negative test results," the authors wrote, citing two smaller studies that reported COVID-19 in anal and oral swabs and in blood in 16 patients and viral load throughout disease progression in throat swabs and sputum from 17 infected patients.

The highest viral loads in the JAMA study were found in sputum, the authors note, with moderate loads in nose-throat swabs, the most common way to confirm infection. Four fecal samples had high viral loads.

Multiple routes may speed transmission
The findings imply that the coronavirus may be transmitted through feces and invade the circulatory system, the researchers said. "A small percentage of blood samples had positive PCR test results, suggesting that infection sometimes may be systemic," they wrote. "Transmission of the virus by respiratory and extrarespiratory routes may help explain the rapid spread of disease."

The patients' mean age was 44 years old (range, 5 to 67), and 68% were male. In the study, throat swabs were collected from most patients 1 to 3 days after hospital admission. Blood, sputum, feces, urine, and nasal samples were collected throughout the illness. Lung wash and biopsy specimens were taken from patients with severe illness or who were on mechanical ventilation.

The authors cautioned that the number of some types of samples in the study was small and that data couldn't be correlated with disease symptoms or course because clinical information in some patients was limited. "Further investigation of patients with detailed temporal and symptom data and consecutively collected specimens from different sites is warranted," they wrote.

Indirect spread likely in mall cluster
In the 34-person COVID-19 mall cluster, researchers from Wenzhou, elsewhere in China, and in the United States say that the virus appears to have been transmitted indirectly, through the touching of contaminated surfaces, viral aerosolization in a confined space, or through contact with infected people who had no symptoms.

The investigators monitored and traced close contacts and analyzed clinical and lab data using RT-PCR. They also drew the eight-floor shopping mall showing the floors where the COVID-19 patients worked or shopped, dates of onset, potential incubation periods, symptom durations, and times of positive diagnosis and hospital release.

Except for those who had visited floor 7, no patients reported close contact with the other patients. "The possibility of customers being infected from other sources cannot be excluded. However, most customers reported early symptom onset in a concentrated time frame," the authors wrote. "Our findings appear to indicate that low intensity transmission occurred without prolonged close contact in this mall; that is, the virus spread by indirect transmission."

Scientists are exploring whether COVID-19 is spread mainly through respiratory droplets and close contact with infected people, and research is lacking on how long the virus survives outside the body. The authors point out, however, that the Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) can survive outside the body and stay infectious for as long as 60 minutes after aerosolization.

"Hence, the rapid spread of SARS-CoV-2 [the COVID-19 virus] in our study could have resulted from spread via fomites (e.g., elevator buttons or restroom taps) or virus aerosolization in a confined public space (e.g., restrooms or elevators)," they wrote.
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Mar 12, 2020 6:24 PM CST
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Here's a partial screenshot of today. Every country is listed. There's a wealth of information if you scroll up & down.


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Mar 12, 2020 6:28 PM CST
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This article was written on 3/8 & we now know the virus spreads by additional means than droplets. However, there's some great info. in the article as to the progression from mild/moderate to severe & how quickly that can happen.

There Is a 'Tipping Point' Before Coronavirus Kills

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Mar 12, 2020 6:33 PM CST
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