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Nov 19, 2019 10:37 AM CST
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Stefan, I moved this image and the other one of a similar plant from the entry for E. obesa to the generic entry for Euphorbia, since it is not the species E. obesa, but a hybrid.

Euphorbias (Euphorbia)

Just so you are aware. Smiling
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Nov 20, 2019 1:06 AM CST
Name: Stefan
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Is it possible to create its own entry? They will seem lost under the thousands of various euphorbia photos.. Unlike the (hundreds) of milii cultivars, this one doesnt have its own page...
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Nov 20, 2019 10:16 AM CST
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Name: Baja
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What would that entry be called? Does the plant have a cultivar name, or was it simply an open pollinated hybrid?
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Nov 20, 2019 10:55 AM CST
Name: Stefan
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Euphorbia X obesa , probably. I do know plants are sometimes labeled like that, when they have no definite parentage. They are not labeled with a proper cultivar name, even if there is one. I know we can fill a healthy page, with photos of its various hybrid forms.
Eg, both echinopsis huascha and chamacereus feature hybrids in their pages.



Of course, you could move them...
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Nov 20, 2019 11:11 AM CST
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Name: Baja
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A hybrid of obesa would be called Euphorbia obesa x. The other order would refer to a hybrid with its own signifier, for example this natural Dudleya hybrid.

Dudleya x semiteres

We do not have database pages for unnamed, unnatural hybrids (like greenhouse hybrids of E. obesa) as a matter of policy. I would think there is some concern about the number of entries multiplying, and those extra entries being confusing because the hybrids could theoretically be with hundreds of plants in the genus, so the page could be filled with plants that look very unlike each other because they only share 50% of their genes in common.

I realize there are a few database pages for species where some of the plants are hybrids. I have struggled to deal with some of them and sort out the confusion. For example, this page for E. milii has a number of E. x lomi hybrids and presumably other hybrids of milii on it:

Crown of Thorns (Euphorbia milii)

and while we do have an entry for E. x lomi, I'm not confident I could identify and separate all the plants on the milii page above which would fall into that category, or even be distinct from the species itself. Here is the separate entry for E. x lomi (which was a natural hybrid before it was popular as a greenhouse hybrid):

Crown of Thorns (Euphorbia x lomi)

I suspect some of the hybrid milii cultivars are not even milii x lophogona but instead hybrids crossed with species or other hybrids, which makes identification a nightmare.

I agree with you about the two Echinopsis images above. That's another genus where hybrids tend to pop up under the name of species. There are other examples in the database. We could move them to the genus entry and probably should, but I'm not really up to the task of contacting all those different people and checking on each and every plant. I moderate the Euphorbias (and a few other succulent genera, but not Echinopsis) so that is where I have decided to focus my efforts.

I hope that makes sense.

If at any time you think an image should be moved, by all means start a thread for that image and we can set the wheels in motion.
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Nov 20, 2019 11:14 AM CST
Name: Stefan
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Ok. Ill try not to make any more messes needing cleanup. Ill only post the ones im 100% sure on.
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Nov 20, 2019 3:22 PM CST
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Name: Baja
Baja California (Zone 11b)
Cactus and Succulents Seed Starter Xeriscape Container Gardener Hummingbirder Native Plants and Wildflowers
Garden Photography Region: Mexico Plant Identifier Forum moderator Plant Database Moderator Garden Ideas: Level 2
I think these 2 photos are still helpful even under the genus listing, and would encourage you not to hold back on photos of hybrids in the future (filed that way if appropriate).
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