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Jun 13, 2018 8:14 AM CST
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Ok so have had raised beds for 4 years. The first year things were phenomonal. The last 3 not good at all. Plenty of flowers but little to no fruit and the ones I do get are deformed or not fully developed. Amended soil, ph is great, fertilized, enough water, even increased spacing between plants. I will also note that these are tomato, peppers, squash and cucumbers. Any suggestions would be great. Thank You.
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Jun 13, 2018 9:44 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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Are you amending and adding fertilizer every year? Are you rotating your crops? Do you completely clean out all the old vegetable debris every fall? Are you using your own home-grown compost? Do you have any photos?
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Jun 13, 2018 10:20 AM CST
Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
Yes ! We would also like to see how Veges are growing. I tip my hat to you.
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Jun 13, 2018 10:23 AM CST
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So Daisyl, yes, yes, yes, no and yes.
These have been stuck like this for 2-3 weeks.
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Jun 13, 2018 10:25 AM CST
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I know not a real good pic. Will get more later..
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Jun 13, 2018 12:29 PM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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Fruit deformed or not fully developed could be lack of sufficient pollinators.
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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Jun 13, 2018 12:49 PM CST
Name: Mindi Hammerstone
Tracy, CA (Zone 9b)
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You could try being the pollinator by using a paintbrush or a cotton swab and going from flower to flower and gently rubbing them on the inside of the various flowers, especially from plant to plant. Iam not sure if they are self pollinating or not but that should help with yield I would think.

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Jun 13, 2018 1:58 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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peppers aand tomatoes are wind pollinated so gently shaking the plants usually does the job. cucumbers, squash and melons do need pollinators and if pollination, for some reason, is incomplete, the fruits will be deformed.

Those tomatoes look fine and the color is good. Is it just the cukes, squash and melons that are few in numbers and deformed?
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Jun 13, 2018 4:01 PM CST
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It was everything past few years. This year only tomatoes, peppers and squash. I may be impatient too. What I was saying was they already look like they have the past few years. They end up amazingly large with no fruit. And I have tried the shaking.
Dumb question but can dirt go bad?
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Jun 13, 2018 5:13 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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Excessive amounts of nitrogen in the soil will cause big bushy green tomato plants and no fruit. Are you using commercially manufactured fertilizer or doing your own thing?

Dirt doesn't go bad per se but the nutrients can be depleted in raised beds if you aren't adding new garden soil and nutrients every year. Or something causes the soil to sour (like plastic on the ground or too deep compost keeping the ground too wet).
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Jun 13, 2018 5:28 PM CST
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So this what I have. I realize there is alot of shade but this is what I have to work with for now. Again they did great first year. Yes commercial fertilizer. Miracle gro, black kow and mushroom compost. The mushroom compost is a first this year
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Jun 14, 2018 3:43 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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I can't explain why it did well the first year, but do think the shade has a lot to do with it not doing well now.---
along with trees shading the tops, tree roots have likely grown into the boxes from the bottom.
Plant it and they will come.
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Jun 14, 2018 5:41 AM CST
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My thinking was if it was a light/shade problem then they wouldnt be lush and green. Oh well I tried a few things different this year. Maybe they will turn out. Just frustrating sometimes. Thank yall for all your help. I really do appreciate it.
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Jun 14, 2018 6:17 AM CST
Name: Angie
Victoria, British Columbia, Ca (Zone 8b)
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I think it is a light/shade problem. Have you thought about trying to embrace the shade with some root vegetables and leafy greens? I'm impressed by your commitments and efforts. Your tomatoes look well loved.
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Jun 14, 2018 1:05 PM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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Looking at the first picture, I thought the plants looked shaded... when you posted the pics of the trees, I knew that my initial thought was correct.

As to why the plants did ok the first year? Trees grow.

Suggest starting new beds in the center of the lawn...

Most people make the mistake of trying to grow vegetables on the edge of the grass... problem is... if the lawn doesn't grow well there... the vegetables won't either.

Eventually, we all need to recognize that we aren't ever going to get food from the lawn... gotta remove the grass to grow something useful.

Edit...
It looks like you are in the sand...

I am too... really difficult to grow anything in the sand... and... our heat and humidity...

Hang in there... I'm having to cut down waaaaaaaaaaay more trees than I wanted to... but... I'm getting results.
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Jun 14, 2018 3:59 PM CST
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Well I can go with that. Our yard is very shaded which I am cool with given our summers. Will transplant what I can to 5 gallon buckets and move garden in fall. Thank yall so much.
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Jun 15, 2018 5:57 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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Here is a post about growing tomatoes and others in shade, it may be informative to you
https://garden.org/thread/view...
Plant it and they will come.
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Jun 15, 2018 8:41 AM CST
Name: Kristof
New York State, USA (Zone 6a)
You are growing very nutrient demanding plants. Lack of micronutrients like iron and others could be the problem. Miracle grow doesn't have all the micros if any last time I checked.

Adding compost adds micronutrients, they also make liquid additive. (Fe, B, Cu, Mn, Zn)

Calcium and Mangnesium are added in same amounts as N,P, or K. (Ca, Mg) are secondary Macronutrients.

I made a similar mistake to the point where I wore out my garden plot and so am doing a soiless garden this year. Thumbs up
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Jun 15, 2018 8:47 AM CST
Name: Kristof
New York State, USA (Zone 6a)
Idiocracy said:Miracle gro, black kow and mushroom compost.


Is black kow composed? If not it the stuff might not be available to the plants
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Jul 16, 2018 5:36 PM CST
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Ok so an update. This is what I have so far. Plants are in very good sunlight (as good as it gets on our shaded lot). Plants look good. I still have nothing happening on any of these though.
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