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Mar 3, 2019 8:46 PM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
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@plantladylin,
have you ever heard of this plant? I bought it at the USF Botanical Garden sale several years ago. It was labeled very clearly, 'Hoya loyceandrewsiana'. (still is).
The ONLY reference I can find for it online is an old post by SRQ hoyas.

There was discussion on Dave's Garden years ago that it might actually be Hoya latifolia (aka Hoya polystachya), but there are some subtle differences in the plants like size and thickness of leaves, and I think the flowers are different colors...mine has bloomed in the past but I never took photos and its been a long time and I don;t remember what the blooms look like. Hopefully it will bloom again soon and I can compare it to photos of latifolia.

But I was wondering if you ever heard of it as 'loyceandrewsiana'?
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Mar 3, 2019 8:53 PM CST
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Name: Gina
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Well I think I answered my own question. I found an old thread series from Houzz (I think it may have been originally archived from the old Gardenweb) from 2009 that says Hoya loyceandrewsiana was described as a new species in 2008 by Ted Green in the journal 'Fraternal' Vol 21 #2. It was found in the collection of Mrs. Loyce Andrews, and named for her. No one knows exactly where it originated. So it is a real thing.
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Mar 4, 2019 2:14 PM CST
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Name: Gina
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Big leaves are the story with this Hoya!
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Mar 8, 2019 6:13 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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That's a new one to me, I've never heard of either name. The Catalogue of Life shows the accepted name as Wax Plant (Hoya latifolia) with H. loyceandrewsiana being a synonym. Joni, from SRQ Hoya's isn't around the site anymore but she has photos at the database entry for H. latifolia.

The CoL shows it listed as:

Hoya loyceandrewsiana T. Green -Species - synonym for Hoya latifolia G. Don

Carol Noel (AlohaHoya) is a friend of Ted Green, perhaps I'll ask her on FB later today if she knows anything about it or can check with Ted.
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Mar 8, 2019 6:37 AM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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I was in contact with a gentleman this week about this hoya. I will post the info he sent me later today. Its quite interesting.
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Mar 8, 2019 11:55 AM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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So, I was snooping around the internet trying to find some info on H. loyceandrewsiana. I found a website for a gentleman in California named Dale Kloppenberg. He is a research agronomist who has spent a lot of his lifetime in field collection and study of Hoyas, and has written 54 books about Hoyas.
He had a 'contact me' button so I sent him my query for possible info about H. Loyceandrewsiana.

I think that Mr. Kloppenberg and Ted Green, who lives in Hawaii and own's 'Rare Hoyas', are fellow researchers. Ted Green is also a field researcher and collector who has done work in many many countries wild collecting and describing Hoya and Dischidia, and has been responsible for the introduction to the US plant trade most of the hoya and dischidia species we are able to commonly buy and grow today.

My Klopperman sent me a scanned copy of the 1994 article in Fraterna, written by Ted Green re: h. loyceandrewsiana. I will paraphrase the applicable info here:

C1968, Ted Green received a cutting of a hoya from a lady named Loyce Andrews of Granbury Texas. She was calling this hoya Diversifolia B for unknown reasons, as it was nothing like the real H. diversifolia.

Mrs. Andrews and a huge collection of hoya that had been collected from many sources but all of her records had unfortunately been destroyed and she could not remember where the hoya in question had come from.

Mr. Green believed that it possibly came from a trade she had made with the University Botanic Garden in Utrecht, Holland.

Mr. Green grew the cutting out and observed that under natural outdoor conditions that it seems to have come from a monsoonal area such as the Tenasserims, the range between Burma, and Thailand, or Southern Indonesia. He noted that it exhibits the same growth habits as plants from that area: H. subquintuplinervis, H. pachyclada, H. rigida and some forms of H. kerrii.

At first Mr. Green believed Mrs. Andrew's mystery hoya to be a species variation of H. dolichosparte from Indonesia but noted that it differed on several key points.

Mr. Green further states that in his 30 years of Hoya research, he has looked at hundreds of herbarium sheets and read all of the original descriptions of Hoya species and has never found Mrs. Andrew's mystery 'Hoya diversifolia B' described anywhere.

Based on this he believed that the plant should be declared a new species, and named it Hoya loyceandrewsiana Green.

Ann Wayman, who was at the time this article appeared the Editor of the hoya publication Fraterna, wrote that of all the hoya species she has ever grown, Loyceandrewsiana has been the most rewarding as far as flowers go. She too has researched even piece of Hoya literature available to try and definitively ID this hoya but the taxonomy of species that seem to be closest are still quite different in key respects.
This hoya can produce 70 or more flowers that can stay in bud for several weeks and then they all open at once, in a time frame of only a few minutes.

Ted Green also states in his description of this plant on the Rare Hoyas site that it produces the heaviest leaves known, that some people believe it is H. latifolia, but he continues to believe that they are incorrect.

The Fraterna piece goes on to say that from the original small cutting he received from Mrs. Andrews, he has grown 2 large plants and also sent cuttings to hoya collectors worldwide. This is THE most sought after hoya he has ever offered.

So this is the extent of the data available on my Hoya loyceandrewsiana. I suppose that if DNA research were done on this plant and latifolia perhaps the mystery might be solved once and for all. But if that will ever happen, who knows? So until disproven, I will continue to call my own plant Hoya loyceandrewsiana.
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Jan 2, 2020 11:11 PM CST

Loyce Andrews! That name brings back memories of when I had a lot more time to be involved with my plants. I never met the lady, but she died in 2004 [her obit is online] and was well-known in the plant community for her interest in, and cultivation of, hoyas. I remember reading "I now grow them in foam cups using vermiculite as a medium and Peters or Spoon-it..." and I believe she lived in Texas at the time and was known to be, well, eccentric, although I don't know whether the tale about running someone off her property with a shotgun is true or not! Anyway, her depth of involvement with hoyas would certainly justify her having one named after her.
If you wish more information about her, you could try asking around. A good starting point might be Glasshouse Works www.glasshouseworks.com which is also a fabulous place to visit, altho not as exotic [or large] as Lotusland in California, a plant pilgrimage place if there ever was one! Sincerely, CHEKAI
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Jan 3, 2020 1:12 AM CST
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Sounds like you've got a good one, Gina. I hope it blooms like that for you Crossing Fingers!
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Jan 3, 2020 7:01 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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I love the looks of Hoya latifolia (a/k/a Hoya loyceandrewsiana); the blooms are said to be fragrant and the bloom umbels look huge! Gina, maybe you will get blooms next summer!! Doug Chamberlin's Vermont Hoyas page says it's a fast grower in summer; he has great photos and a video of his H. latifollia (loyceandrewsiana?)here: https://vermonthoyas.com/hoya-...

I don't understand the inconsistency with plant names; is there is more than one "authority" on plant name registration/publication? Does a plant name have to be published first and then registered somewhere? Confused

IPNI says the name loyceandrewsiana was published in 2008: https://www.ipni.org/n/6044784...

WCSP shows loyceandrewsiana as an accepted species name: https://wcsp.science.kew.org/q...

The Plant LIST says it's an unresolved name: http://www.theplantlist.org/tp...

The Catalogue of Life shows the name as a synonym for Hoya latifolia: http://www.catalogueoflife.org... which is how our database lists it: Wax Plant (Hoya latifolia)

GBIF also shows the name as a synonym for H. latifolia: https://www.gbif.org/species/s...

This page from Ted Green's Rare Hoya Catalog (Revised 25 Nov. 2019) describes H. loyceandrewsiana as: "loyceandrewsiana, T Green C- 1/2", buff flowers; 30-50 in umbel; leaves 1/4" thick, 8" x 9", on a robust vine. This is the heaviest Hoya leaf that I know - should be sold by the pound - for a door stop! We ship the smaller leaved ones, of course. Some say that this is latifolia - but I believe them wrong. Indonesia?"

Whatever the name, it is one beautiful Hoya!
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Jan 3, 2020 7:29 AM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Tropicals
Lin I don't either. It had been pretty much accepted I thought that loyceandrewsiana and latufolia have enough morphological differences that loyceandrewsiana was separated as a mother legitimate species....the leaves are thicker, get larger and a lot heavier than latifolia and as I understand it from what limited information is available they have a slightly different shape. I am getting a lot of big leaves at the moment but so far no blooms!

@CHEKAI Welcome! its really nice to have a new voice on the forums! I have known several very eccentric plant people LOL. I had a friend who worked for Glasshouse Works for a number of years before she left the North and moved here, she grew some unusual succulents for them.

We visited Lotusland when we lived in Cali it was a trip! It was what inspired me to grow my first Lotus (a dwarf Momo Botan) in the late 1980's.
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Jan 6, 2020 4:50 PM CST
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Name: Gina
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These are the leaves on one of my Loyceandrewsiana's at the moment. Getting pretty big
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They are really thick too
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Jan 6, 2020 5:23 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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Blinking Oh wow, those are huge!!! I hope the one that I got from you in trade takes off when this spring ... so far, it's just sitting there!!
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Jan 6, 2020 5:27 PM CST
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Name: Gina
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Mine tends to sit there too LOL
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Jan 6, 2020 7:03 PM CST
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
That's an awesome plant!
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Jan 21, 2020 8:21 PM CST
Name: MardieJane
Rockledge and Riverview Florid (Zone 9b)
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So I've been absent but this subject got me back. Does anyone know where a true starter or cutting of this sp can be found or if it was determined that it is un fact its own species?
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Jan 21, 2020 8:23 PM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Tropicals
Well I do have the true plant. Ted Green described it apparently, I had a copy of the information somewhere.
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Jan 21, 2020 8:27 PM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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The name is unresolved, in The Plant List, and listed as a synonym of latifolia in the Catalog of Life. So it has never been resolved. There is probably not a research botanist working on hoyas who has the burning desire to have this question answered enough to have cellular testing carried out.
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Jan 21, 2020 9:08 PM CST
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Gina1960 said:The name is unresolved, in The Plant List, and listed as a synonym of latifolia in the Catalog of Life. So it has never been resolved. There is probably not a research botanist working on hoyas who has the burning desire to have this question answered enough to have cellular testing carried out.


Well there should be. There are at least five inquiring minds that would like to know. Hilarious!
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Jan 22, 2020 6:18 AM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Tropicals
I guess its just that way in science nowadays. Its hard to get research money for human medical research anymore (my husband can attest to that, he ran a research lab for years and grants are always hard to come by unless you are researching a 'popular' disease). Funding doesn't come out of the air, so botany is probably low on the list of things universities and other funding bodies are supporting especially for plant classes that are not hugely popular for the ornamental market
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Feb 23, 2020 2:13 PM CST

Does anyone know where I could find a cutting of this? This does not look like the latifolia I have. TIA

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