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Feb 22, 2024 9:11 PM CST
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Northern New Jersey
Hello,

Last year, I planted several proven winner hydrangeas called Let's Dance Can Do. They get unfiltered full sun from about 8am to 2pm. Their tag said they could be planted in full sun. They looked great at first, but at the height of the summer, the leaves appeared scorched. This worsened as the year went on. I'm debating waiting to see if they do better this year or if I should move them to a spot with less sun. I can put them in a spot where they only get 3 to 4 hours of direct sun but it's afternoon sun. Or I could move them back a few feet where three are planted and the neighbors evergreens will shade them quicker, probably by noon. The issue with that option is his sprinklers and the slope make the soil there quite wet. Any advice appreciated. Also, would now be the best time to move them? Here is a picture before they got crisp
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Feb 22, 2024 10:30 PM CST
Name: Luis
Hurst, TX, U.S.A. (Zone 8a)
Azaleas Salvias Roses Plumerias Region: Northeast US Region: New Hampshire
Hydrangeas Hibiscus Region: Georgia Region: Florida Dog Lover Region: Texas
Now, when dormant, is the best time to move them. But you can also move them in early spring or in the fall... as long as the soil has not frozen.

Big Leaf Hydrangeas prefer morning sun until 11am or earlier. They can also be sited in a location that receives as little as a couple of hours of direct sun but, they will bloom best with a few more hours of morning sun. They only tolerate full summer sun in high elevation areas or in coastal regions whose summers are very mild. Summer temperatures in full sun should rarely reach or exceed 85°F. Think of Cape Cod, MA for examples. Depending on your summers, Big Leaf Hydrangeas could also encroach into a few early afternoon hours provided that your summer temperatures are not extremely harsh and you provide supplemental watering in dry/hot periods. You will need to test the shrubs in those spots to confirm they can take (and how much) early afternoon summer sun.

To find out how much early afternoon summer sun they can tolerate, grow them in a pot in the location being considered for a growing season and see how they perform. You can place the container on the ground or you can dig a hole for the container and place the container in the hole. If at any time the blooms and foliage suffer from too much sun, immediately move the pot to a shadier location. Once they perform to your satisfaction, you can plant them in the fall or once temperatures typically stay under 85°F.

You could try the spot that gets less summer sun (3-4 hours) in this manner. It will depend on how strong the sun is there during those 3-4 hours as the leaves and the blooms cannot tolerate much direct exposure to harsh summer sun. Provide temporary shade in an emergency using outside chairs or outside umbrellas.

Moving them back a few feet closer to the evergreens will provide the basic sun exposure they prefer. But, you may have to negotiate with your neighbor a reduction in the excessive amount of watering or consult with a landscape company to see what do they suggest in order to drain the excess water away. Sustained soggy water conditions can cause root rot in hydrangeas.

Ensure that the shrubs are watered consistently and sufficiently. Water the soil -never the leaves- as soon as the soil gets dry at a depth of 4 inches, the typical depth of new hydrangea roots. To do that, insert a finger at that depth often in several spots under the canopy during the hot summer months or in dry periods. Do this almost daily in the mornings. To ensure you are providing sufficient water, after you water, periodically wait for the soil to percolate and then insert a finger to a depth of 8" to ensure that the soil is moist (if dry, use more water; if soggy, water less). Also ensure you also have 3-4" of organic mulch past the drip line at all times of the year.

Being compact, these Can Do! lacecap hydrangeas can also be grown in pots. Not sure if the pots could be sited in the soggy soil effectively without issues though. Maybe in other shady places? You can also plant equally compact panicle hydrangeas where these Big Leaf Hydrangeas are currently located. Panicle hydrangeas currently include very compact varieties and they are more tolerant of summer sun in NJ, even from sunrise to sundown (but not everywhere; not in full sun in the southwest with its extremely hot temperatures). The only problem is that 3-4 hours of sun does not promote lots of blooms in panicles.
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Feb 23, 2024 5:45 PM CST
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Northern New Jersey
Thank you for all of the helpful advice!. I have a few little quick fire panicle hydrangeas on that side. You can see them on the right side of the photograph. They are doing very well there. They used to be on the other side where I was thinking about moving the can dos to (the one with only a few hours in the afternoon sun ) but they struggled there and didn't produce flowers. When I moved them last year, they took off, tons of flowers!

Unfortunately, don't have a great situation with the neighbor. When he redid his whole house and property, he elevated his property feet above mine. He had these grates and underground drainage tanks put in that were supposed to control the runoff. But they don't and just back up and sends rivers over to my side. here's an example of what happens anytime we have a heavy rain. This is not where I'm thinking of planting, this is higher up in the yard.
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Feb 24, 2024 12:57 AM CST
Name: Luis
Hurst, TX, U.S.A. (Zone 8a)
Azaleas Salvias Roses Plumerias Region: Northeast US Region: New Hampshire
Hydrangeas Hibiscus Region: Georgia Region: Florida Dog Lover Region: Texas
Shocking. It would be great if the soil there was fast draining as hydrangeas and other shrubs would then not be wet for long periods of time. If the nearby alternate spot for the hydrangeas (the one you describe as being 3 feet away) provides the correct morning sun requirements, does not get this damp and you can still provide supplemental watering when dry, it may be the best choice.

That being said, the current location might be salvageable if you plant a fast growing shade tree (will need to provide temporary shade in the summer until the tree grows sufficiently) or provide a permanent, pretty feature that will provide shade using 35% shade cloth (not sure if that would be aesthetically pleasing but consult with local nurseries or the same landscape company for shade ideas.

You really need a landscape company to come and help drain this much excess water elsewhere, in case there is an extreme deluge due to our changing climate that drops even more water on both properties. It would be nice if the neighbor somehow helped as his property elevation promotes this issue but, not too many really good neighbors would venture to a$$i$t. Investigate with the landscape company how much water your soil can handle (how fast it drains) and if this much soggy water is possibly harming the roots/health of the trees on your side.
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